His loads used either a 350 grain paper patched bullet or the old gould type 330 grain hollow point grease groove bullet. Have just purchased a brand new pedersoli sharps 4570 34 octagonal barrel. He was the famous grizzly bear hunter of the 1870s 1890s in wyoming and montana. See our blog for up to date gun rights reports and tell us what you think we describe another method to economically and. Cant give you much info on a 3855 but have been very successfull with 45 70. This bullet is shooting really well in my 4570 with either swiss or goex 2 fg. Kirk, what diameter bullet would you recommend for use in my shiloh 4570 for paper patching. Working with lubricated bullets is messy in my experience. Paul matthews wrote a book on paper patching the 4570 bullet the paper jacket. Probably not as much compression with the paper patched loads as with greasers. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load data. His delightfully informative book on the subject, the paper jacket, is perhaps the best resource for a reloader interested in utilizing paperpatched bullets with smokeless powder. Nov 21, 2005 they say the best things in life are free so i suppose free advice is one of the best things theres a logic flaw there somewhere but im too tired to pursue it.
Paper patched bullet design software is available from corbin, as well as software that calculates multiple density, multipart bullet weights and volumes, calculates bullet air resistance and bc, and helps you determine the bullet diameter for a given rifling depth and paper thickness. If it slips in with a slight resistance, its the right size. Dec 12, 2018 paper patch is more accurate but you have to figure out a way to keep fouling soft or else that gain in accuracy is lost after the first or second shot. Paper patched bullets are still available, and some blackpowder shooters still roll their own paper patched bullets for hunting and competitive shooting. This is a discussion on paper patching 4570 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. Has anyone paper patched these bullets 200 grains to 230 grains up enough to load in the 45 70. If you use my paper patch lube, make sure that it is as soft as butter when you apply it. I can hold minute of ram at 500 meters and have taken buffalo with paper patched bullets. Youll only need enough lube to cover the paper patch. New years day, memorial day, independence day, labor day, thanksgiving and the day after, christmas eve open until 12. Length will have to be about circumference of the bullet. You will quit adding powder long before the handirifle is even slightly strained.
Supposedly about of the buffalo killed in the old west were done in with pp bullets. Perhaps this helps a little to get ya started, paper patch bullets are really cool to load and shoot just time consuming. Unless you want to use it on something that will come over and stomp you into a muddy puddle or eat you its totally over the top. I just ordered a perdesoli 1874 sharps snipe rifle. May 17, 2016 myself, i prefer paper patched bullets for three reasons. This bullet is shooting really well in my 45 70 with either swiss or goex 2 fg.
Buffalo arms is closed on the following holidays so that our employees can spend time with their families. Nov 11, 2014 does anybody know anything about paper patched bullets for 45 70. Here are the benefits of shooting paperpatched bullets in your inline. Test loads note the waterproofed patches on bullets at left. Does anybody know anything about paper patched bullets for 4570. Uberti 1886 4570 buffalo gong matches sass wire forum. Anyone who has worked with the 45 70 government with loads using blackpowder, smokeless to match blackpowder performance, or smokeless loads at higher pressure, soon learns that this cartridge offers phenomenal performance. If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly familiar with paul matthews. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110. Bullet diameter for 4570 paper patched cartridge shiloh.
Has anyone paper patched these bullets 200 grains to 230 grains up enough to load in the 4570. Any input, positive negative neutral would be much appreciated. In my opinion, paper patched bullets was a kind of fashion in the early black powder cartridge era, and they were not necessarily better compared to grease grooved bullets. There are a couple of loads i may want to try out using trail boss powder but im not sure if i should use the same paper patched slugs.
The use of paper patched bullets is especially known from the buffalo hunts on the american prairies where millions of the shaggy beasts fell for paper patched bullets. I was thinking about using 5060g of powder for the carbine. Bullet size and paper size to add up to the right diameter. But now i would like to learn about paper patching for the 45 70 thanks. Im thinking about trying paper patched bullets in a pedersoli john bodine 4570. These loads were found in colonel picketts writings.
It works well if you can find a buddy that still enjoys casting enough to make a run of soft cast bullets for you to paper patch. I prefer to use paper patched bullets simply because they are easier to handle. This is a discussion on paper patching 45 70 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. Everything seemed to work great except i think i have the patch riding too high up on the bullet nose on the lee 457340 395 gr 2 cavity mold. I plan on reloading for it, but if it doesnt work out, i was wondering your opinions on factory loads that will work for elk at short range, say 100 yds. I shot these cast bullets in my sharps copy 1874 45 70. Using black powder is now big deal, i have it, know how to use it, and know it works fine with paper patched bullets, but can i use smokeless powder with paper patched bullets as well. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on the bullet. I just bought my first 4570 which i plan to use off and on for everything from deer and pigs, to elk.
First, the patch shape will have to be a parallelogram with angles of about 45 degrees. You can use grease cookies or wads behind the patched bullet, but then you really start cutting into case capacity with the 45 70 and the o. Ive never paper patched, but sounds like it might be possible for low velocity loads. How big of a deal is a compressed load in the 45 70 using h 4198. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders.
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